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RichP714
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12 years ago
I'm hosted at Arvixe, and coming due for renewal (running 1.9.5 YAF)

During the year, our site has progressively slowed down; server responses used to be in the 0.05 sec range (pages loading very quickly). Now, sometimes it's fine, sometimes 5 or 6 seconds.

I was assuming that this was related to the server load (the server I'm on has three times the db's it used to have.

In talking with Arvixe about possibly moving me to a less loaded server, they gave me the following stats

1) Your site is ranked #1 of all sites hosted on Jasmine when it comes to CPU time consumption.

2) Your site's application pool process is ranked #8 of all processes running on Jasmine when it comes to memory consumption.

3) IIS is processing roughly 190,000 site requests (GET, POST, HEAD) on behalf of your site on a daily basis.

4) Because of the amount of requests, your site's application pool hits the 250 MB memory limit frequently causing application pool recycling.

Below are some load time numbers related to your site.

The table below shows the Log Parser 2.2 output of your site's log file (10/23/11):

cs-method Total AvgTime(ms) AvgBytesSent

POST 134125 500 659

GET 55109 761 73958

HEAD 19 172 266

iWebTool.com speed test:

# Domain name Size Load Time Average Speed per KB

1 thecarversite.com 14.8 KB 0.47 seconds 0.03 seconds

2 thecarversite.com/yetanotherforum/ 190.61 KB 0.96 seconds 0.01 seconds

Not that bad for shared hosting, right?

your site gets a lot traffic, especially from one IP block assigned to a well-known university, causing high load on memory and your database. So, moving your accout to a different server does not change anything; all 'Personal Class' servers have the same limit applied to application pool memory.

Arvixe wrote:

My databaser is 160M large, we typically have 10 members logged in and a few guests (sometimes the guest count shoots up very high, but that's a splintered bot), and our application pool size is 250M

I'm wondering: is this a normal load or am I doing something wrong? Arvixe is saying I need to upgrade my account to have a larger applicatiuon pool; is this right for my level of traffic?

Also, the 'large traffic' they mention I don't particularly see reflected in our member count or currently online members; could it be that this traffic is illegitimate (hacking attempts?) and how could I tell?


Enjoy!

Running YAF 1.9.5.5 final at: http://thecarversite.com 

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chromebuster
12 years ago
I'd think that it's not normal, but I think that's just a side effect of you not having a dedicated server. If you plan to have a lot of members and a lot of different sites running up there, then you should probably get a dedicated server. Not that I know much, for I'm planning to host myself (I have a server), and I'm still learning, so don't take what I say as gospel. I'd doubt that somebody is trying to hack your site. Hosting companies would get a very bad reputation if they allowed hackers to gain access to any of their servers.
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bbobb
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12 years ago
Recently, Zero2Cool complained about his Arvixe slow site. That looks like a hosting provider problem so far.
ruek23
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12 years ago
I use Arvixe and haven't had any issues with them...

Although my forum is slightnly smaller on the members count I do have more posts and a similar number of topics.

could it be the fact he has 105 forums?

bbobb
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12 years ago
Recently there were some important changes related to perfomance on the database side.

I simply afraid that current wide usage of cache and SL + DI aka Reflection somehow contributes to it in some curcumstances. Anyway, it needs investigation.

chromebuster
12 years ago
That's why one should host themselves if they can. Then you don't have to answer to anyone, and the problems with a site you have all the control in the world needed to fix it.
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Zero2Cool
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12 years ago

Recently, Zero2Cool complained about his Arvixe slow site. That looks like a hosting provider problem so far.

Originally Posted by: bbobb 

Yes sir, I'm in the process of narrowing down options for a new host.

RichP714, I'm in the same boat. I want to say the first month was quick and good, no real issues. I have ~700 members with anywhere between ~5 to ~30 online at a time with a database close to ~500MB.

I've been with Arvixe with DNN/YAF since middle May. Things have been getting progressively worse over the last couple months.

You're one step ahead of me, they refuse to acknowledge my concerns/questions. Chat support tells me to email support. When I email support they tell me to consult with Chat support.

My specs are in my signature if you're curious what I'm running.

That's why one should host themselves if they can. Then you don't have to answer to anyone, and the problems with a site you have all the control in the world needed to fix it.

Originally Posted by: chromebuster 

This one would host it himself if he had Windows Server operating system. I believe my 3MB upload would be sufficient for the amount of users I have, however, I simply can not afford Windows Server for a hobby site.

But yes, hosting it myself would be ideal and would make me very happy. Hell, a host that communicated with me would make me happy right now.

squirrel
12 years ago
Not that I am advertising anything, but I lease Windows Servers on a per client basis. If we had enough demand, we could setup a shared server for hosting of YAF/ASP.NET applications under Windows 2008 Server and so forth. If anyone is in need of pricing or wants to discuss details, you can PM me --
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RichP714
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12 years ago

Recently, Zero2Cool complained about his Arvixe slow site. That looks like a hosting provider problem so far.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Yes sir, I'm in the process of narrowing down options for a new host.

Originally Posted by: bbobb 

I'm also looking; I think Arvixe has grown too fast over the last year; they used to be fast.

.....RichP714, I'm in the same boat. I want to say the first month was quick and good, no real issues. I have ~700 members with anywhere between ~5 to ~30 online at a time with a database close to ~500MB.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I have more 'members' but about the same online at a time, and about half the db size.

.....I've been with Arvixe with DNN/YAF since middle May. Things have been getting progressively worse over the last couple months.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I been there almost a year; very fast at first, but getting flakey

.....You're one step ahead of me, they refuse to acknowledge my concerns/questions. Chat support tells me to email support. When I email support they tell me to consult with Chat support.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

I usually get a good response from them (they've told me that chat support isn't good for very much). I usually open a ticket and chat simultaneously, then refer the chat to the ticket# and ask for update on status. The chat people are really just middle-men who assign your concern to an admin (hopefully)

My major problem is (according to them) that our site has outgrown their personalclass shared hosting. They say the number of gets/puts etc is overloading their 250M app pool, and if I upgraded to businessclass (450M app pool) i wouldn't have the slowdown issues.

They say the slowdwon has nothing to do with the fact that the server I'm on now has triple the dB's it had when I started (server load) but is more about app pool resource limits being exceeded (otherwise they'd have shut my account down for impacting other sites on the server).

In new to IIS and hosting in general, so I don't know if I'm being fed a line or should squeeze more cash out of my wallet


Enjoy!

Running YAF 1.9.5.5 final at: http://thecarversite.com 

squirrel
12 years ago
YAF can consume a large AppPool when under a decent load. Our forum has over 150,000 posts/replies and just under 2000 members, although we average around 10-30 active users/spiders at a time continuously. Our AppPool for YAF hovers around 150-200mb depending on the traffic load. It's a fairly intensive application to be running on a shared server...
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RichP714
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12 years ago

......Our AppPool for YAF hovers around 150-200mb depending on the traffic load. It's a fairly intensive application to be running on a shared server...

Originally Posted by: squirrel 

That's what they said, but I can't afford dedicated or virtual; I'm going to upgrade to the 450M pool and see if that snaps performance back to what it was (and fixes my search timeout problem http://forum.yetanotherforum.net/yaf_postsm50621_Search-timeouts-after-certain-MSSQL-size.aspx#post50621 


Enjoy!

Running YAF 1.9.5.5 final at: http://thecarversite.com 

squirrel
12 years ago
I'm seriously considering setting up a dedicated server that would be available strictly to host sites that are running a YAF forum -- I've been going through my pricing and what my servers cost me to see how the machine can be divvied up and what resources would be available. I can get machines with up to 8gb RAM and 2TB storage, and up to Dual Quad-Core processors at a decent price to me. If I can get enough clients/sites to cover the cost of the server, I'll put it online. I will do some math and start a seperate topic about it. The servers would have the database software, off-site backups, and so forth included. Traffic would be un-metered/unrestricted but shared across all the clients...
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Zero2Cool
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12 years ago

I'm seriously considering setting up a dedicated server that would be available strictly to host sites that are running a YAF forum -- I've been going through my pricing and what my servers cost me to see how the machine can be divvied up and what resources would be available. I can get machines with up to 8gb RAM and 2TB storage, and up to Dual Quad-Core processors at a decent price to me. If I can get enough clients/sites to cover the cost of the server, I'll put it online. I will do some math and start a seperate topic about it. The servers would have the database software, off-site backups, and so forth included. Traffic would be un-metered/unrestricted but shared across all the clients...

Originally Posted by: squirrel 

What about DNN/YAF sites? ;)

I pushed my site over to a new host. So far each page load is sub-second. I'll give it a go for a couple weeks and see how poor it gets.

RichP714
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12 years ago

I'm seriously considering setting up a dedicated server that would be available strictly to host sites that are running a YAF forum -- I've been going through my pricing and what my servers cost me to see how the machine can be divvied up and what resources would be available. I can get machines with up to 8gb RAM and 2TB storage, and up to Dual Quad-Core processors at a decent price to me. If I can get enough clients/sites to cover the cost of the server, I'll put it online. I will do some math and start a seperate topic about it. The servers would have the database software, off-site backups, and so forth included. Traffic would be un-metered/unrestricted but shared across all the clients...

Originally Posted by: squirrel 

There isn't much advice here on good/bad hosting; more word-of-mouth "I tried X and they suck"

I think many hosting companies that will do ASP.net don't want to keep the server load light for profit purposes. If you decide to go ahead with this, it may be a wonderful alternative


Enjoy!

Running YAF 1.9.5.5 final at: http://thecarversite.com 

squirrel
12 years ago

I'm seriously considering setting up a dedicated server that would be available strictly to host sites that are running a YAF forum -- I've been going through my pricing and what my servers cost me to see how the machine can be divvied up and what resources would be available. I can get machines with up to 8gb RAM and 2TB storage, and up to Dual Quad-Core processors at a decent price to me. If I can get enough clients/sites to cover the cost of the server, I'll put it online. I will do some math and start a seperate topic about it. The servers would have the database software, off-site backups, and so forth included. Traffic would be un-metered/unrestricted but shared across all the clients...

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

What about DNN/YAF sites? ;)

I pushed my site over to a new host. So far each page load is sub-second. I'll give it a go for a couple weeks and see how poor it gets.

Originally Posted by: squirrel 

In the end, I really wouldn't restrict it regarding what you're running. Only that I wouldn't be doing any advertising for this unit other than here. I'm not really into the 'shared hosting' game -- it has a horribly low profit margin when it comes to Windows hosting. You theoretically could run whatever you wanted on it but the server would be streamlined/optimized with a low client count and high availability for .NET applications, etc. Instead of trying to cram 200 sites on it all running YAF, we would be looking more at examining each site's performance as they are added to the server and allocating resources as needed. DNN+YAF really still fits the model because YAF is involved. This unit would really not generate any profit but be there primarily for those who are dealing with a larger or more active YAF forum yet cannot afford the higher pricing not to mention 'don't really need' a whole server to themselves. By rights, if the server is configured properly and monitored, we could probably get between 25 and 50 clients on it and still see good performance from it.


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